[Robert.Mauro]

Yep, a TR580 is pretty different than a TR690.

In Outback, someone did a characteristics comparison, and the fluid isn't remotely the same.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

Well, I've let them know AGAIN... let's see how they respond. I will follow up with an email if the response isn't appropriate, and will share that here, publicly, for the world to see, so that if anyone does make the mistake and destroys their TR690, they can refer to the messages to have proof that Amsoil was notified.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

A bunch of you have asked about Amsoil's multi-purpose CVT fluid, and I told you it wasn't compatible since 2018. THEY told you it was - since 2018. Two people reported toasted CVT's since then.

Amsoil was lying. Here it is, in writing. They are claiming they just recently updated it to be compatible. Yet they've literally told people in the past that it was tested and compatible, when it wasn't.

Considering they spent so many years selling incompatible fluid, I don't believe them.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

From SilverOnyx over in the Outback forums...

New Provisions also is repackaging the new Genuine Subaru High Torque LV CVT fluid (clear/amber) in quarts.

Subaru OEM CVTF-LV Fluid Amber/Clear 1 Quart - Universal

Finally! We've made these available in smaller quantities instead of the standard five gallon tub that Subaru sells. Jugs are 32oz / 1 quart in size

www.newprovisionsracing.com

NOTE:
It's probably cheaper to shop around for a 5 gallon drum from a dealership.

 

[eynvoy]

Hello. What can you say about this liquid?

MOTUL MULTI CVTF - Motul

MOTUL MULTI CVTF High performance synthetic Technosynthese® fluid specially engineered for Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) gearbox

new.motul.com

Indicated compatibility with High Torque CVTF-LV. This liquid is also available in Europe.

 

[Jim_in_PA]

Hello. What can you say about this liquid?

MOTUL MULTI CVTF - Motul

MOTUL MULTI CVTF High performance synthetic Technosynthese® fluid specially engineered for Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) gearbox

new.motul.com

Indicated compatibility with High Torque CVTF-LV. This liquid is also available in Europe.

No. The only transmission fluid in the whole world that's approved for use in the Ascent's implementation of the TR690 transmission is only available from Subaru. You cannot use any other brand's product or even any other Subaru provided fluid other than the specific one in the Ascent's specifications. As I noted in your New Member Welcome thread, this is going to be a bit of a challenge for you having an Ascent outside of the area it's made and marketed to. (US/Canada/Philippines) Hopefully, a Subaru dealer in your geography can source the correct fluid for you. I will also warn that the smallest quantity it's sold for here in the US is five gallons.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

SOOOO... after their email admitting to me that they lied/made-up compatibility for the Ascent/OBXT/OBW and finally fixed their CVT fluid to be compatible and changed their website, guess what Amsoil has done?

They have again REMOVED the compatibility for the HT-CVTF-LV

Toldjaso.

https://www.amsoil.com/p/amsoil-100-synthetic-cvt-fluid-cvt/?code=CVT1G-EA&gad_source=1

As @SilverOnyx shared over in OB forum, this sums it up nicely.

Hi, Only to close this subject at least from the point of view that we can get in Europe from aftermarket lubricants, I get answers from the main brands, Castrol, Fuchs, Total, Shell, Motul, Mobil and Liqui Moly also local Repsol and Cepsa, all of them recognize that their CVT fluis do not meet Subaru standart specs on CVTF3. In adittion of it I had a chat with Mr Keith Clark, technical director of ATRA (Automatic Transmission Rebuilders Association) and he said same wise words as @SilverOnyx : "Regarding your query, it is my experience on CVT applications to follow the manufacturer's recommended fluid specifications based on model year and application. Especially with Subaru, modifications to the control strategy and internal components require the fluid viscosity and friction modifier additive package to remain as specified for proper transmission performance throughout all operating conditions. The wrong fluid causes incorrect pressure control, torque converter clutch chatter, CVT chain slippage, and other functional concerns. I realize that this is an inconvenience based on what you have shared, but do everything in your power to get the correct fluid in this unit, or you will be better off not changing it at all." I think is more than clear, incorrect fluid is a huge risk.

For those of you who don't know, ATRA is the pre-eminent experts on everything transmission related. As a matter of fact, I've learned a LOT about Subaru CVTs from their training seminars.

 

[denissh]

problem is if you look up by car its stil listed

 

[pdxeca]

problem is if you look up by car its stil listed
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So here's a question for the internet lawyers here, I didn't see any obvious disclaimers on the AMSOIL webpage, other than "we can only make claims for our products, not others" and "compare to manufacturer recommendations". So if somebody were to use this product and fragged their CVT afterwards, could they sue AMSOIL for the damage?

I have no doubt that AMSOIL has enough lawyers on staff/retainer to make it an uphill battle for any individual, but just something to consider.

It does have a 5 star rating, but they all seem to be from Nissan and Honda owners.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

problem is if you look up by car its stil listed
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I think it's time I annoy them with yet another email.

 

[Robert.Mauro]

"compare to manufacturer recommendations".

That's probably their way out. I do know that over the years, two group members in FB deleted their comments on the issue shortly after going back to Amsoil for reimbursement for a new transmission. Probably an NDA requirement, if I had to guess.

 

[pcampbell]

Does anyone know what sort of aftermarket tool can be used to get the CVT temp for checking fluid level/changing the fluid oneself? Can FreeSSM or something else like that be used?

 

[Robert.Mauro]

I've heard FreeSSM works. A ScanGauge also works, as does ActiveOBD and one of their supported adapters.

What does not work is Torque Pro and most other Android/iOS generic car apps, which will return engine coolant temperature instead.

 

[denissh]

OTOFIX D1 Lite is on sale right now for $289

 

[Robert.Mauro]

OTOFIX D1 Lite is on sale right now for $289

I highly recommend this!!!

 

[Ey31]

I will also warn that the smallest quantity it's sold for here in the US is five gallons.

You are correct, is this Subaru's sick joke to not having us do our own CVT drain/fill?? This is about the price of what a dealership costs to have them drain/fill. What is a customer supposed to do with the remaining 3-4 gallons? I want to do my CVT fluid change.

 

[Jim_in_PA]

Not really any kind of "sick joke"...it is what it is. You might check with an independent Subaru shop who might have bought the larger quantity and inquire about getting a smaller quantity. I recall that someone said some dealer "out there" decanted into quarts, but don't know if that's true. But the bottom line is that nobody other than Subaru has offered a product that meets or exceeds the specification...including the actual manufacturer of the Subaru fluid. So if you want to do this yourself and have the required stuff to monitor the volume and temperature, you're kinda stuck with buying a five gallon pail. Given this isn't something that needs to be done often unless you tow heavy, I'd personally just have the dealer do this one thing, even if I normally self-service. (I don't and never will)

 

[JOE WHO]

You are correct, is this Subaru's sick joke to not having us do our own CVT drain/fill?? This is about the price of what a dealership costs to have them drain/fill. What is a customer supposed to do with the remaining 3-4 gallons? I want to do my CVT fluid change.

Since you can’t/shouldn’t do a traditional flush on this CVT, you have to rely on drain and fills which doesn’t exchange all of the fluid. Therefore, 5 gallons would likely be the amount you would want in order to do at least 3 drain and fills ensuring you exchange as much of the old fluid as possible.

 

[Cancan]

hello everyone

I have the same problem with oil, but in my country it costs $1160 for 5 gallons...

I started looking for replacements. I came across the page Warren Oil

I found Coastal LubriGold Full Synthetic CVT


what do you think about it? according to product specifications, meets the standards Subaru Lineartronic High Torque (HT) CVT Fluid, CV-30, K0421Y0700, CVTF-LV SOA748V0300

I bought my dream car from the USA, but the price of OEM oil in Europe blows my mind...

I am also waiting for MOTUL's response. their product card available in Europe also includes compatibility with SOA748V0300

Regards

 

[Robert.Mauro]

hello everyone

I have the same problem with oil, but in my country it costs $1160 for 5 gallons...

I started looking for replacements. I came across the page Warren Oil

I found Coastal LubriGold Full Synthetic CVT


what do you think about it? according to product specifications, meets the standards Subaru Lineartronic High Torque (HT) CVT Fluid, CV-30, K0421Y0700, CVTF-LV SOA748V0300

I bought my dream car from the USA, but the price of OEM oil in Europe blows my mind...

I am also waiting for MOTUL's response. their product card available in Europe also includes compatibility with SOA748V0300

Regards

Because of the different viscosity requirements, it's literally impossible for it to be compatible.