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Something that you kind of touched on here is there's a big difference between a suspension lift and a body lift. A poorly done suspension lift will affect steering geometry, wheel alignment, and suspension travel. A body lift (as is done with spacers) doesn't do anything to the suspension.
Yes it does, just elsewhere. For instance, the driveshaft u joints, and how far it pulls the spindle out. It also affects spring and strut travel if they don't have a similar lift. It also drops things, which decreases ground clearance. In the case of the Ascent, a 1" drop keeps the rear differential above the bottom of the car, barely.

Also, a subframe lift makes it a lot easier for the subframe to move, wrecking all sorts of things. It's why I designed and built my own.
 

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Fair points. It will depend on the specific vehicle and how integrated the body, frame, or unibody is to the suspension and drivetrain.
Exactly. Because all Subies use a carrier assembly for the rear differential, which the sway bars are mounted to. (the "rear sub frame"), it always affects Subies.

We (those of us looking to mod) are exceedingly lucky in how the Ascent was designed... everyone can take a look at the rear CV axles on an Outback or Crosstrek and see how they are at an angle, from the lift and driveline geometries. Compare it to my rear CV axle with a 1" top hat spacer lift. Mine is pretty flat.

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A common subframe spacer design is to just use tall, narrow aluminum stand-offs.
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I decided to do wider subframe spacers that match the footprint of the original pieces. Here's the bushing cap compared to my test subframe spacer. Perfect match.​
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Here's some of the final pieces at full height, not yet cleaned up (for instance, the holding tabs are still visible)
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Then again, most people don't do the crazy stuff I do. But, I felt I needed it. So, I CNC'd my own out of 6061-T651 aluminum.
 

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I seem to recall reading the Ascent's size being limited by the production line capacity in Indiana. The current size being the largest that could be fit without a serious remodel. Maybe a new line specifically for the Ascent would be introduced, but I do believe this size is all the plant is capable of at this time.
 

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They could skip cars. The Ascent is built either with a skip-spot, or with an Outback in between. You'll never see two Ascents back to back on the assembly line. It would take some retooling of the conveyers to fit back to back or larger ones, which would take changing other things as well.

But, the North American Impreza is made here, and, conceivably, perhaps they could slip Bigger-Ascents between the Imprezas? But that'd require the Impreza line to not be Impreza specific (otherwise, it'd be too small to fit any Ascent).
 

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I came from a 2012 Ford Expedition, honestly I wish the Ascent was larger and had a better engine. My 5.4 Ford V8 gets 16.2mpg average and my 2.4 Subaru F4 gets 16.8mpg average. My Expedition has a much higher payload and towing ability. Honesty the Ascent needs to be less Dodge Journey-esque in design. I like my 21 Ascent as a daily driver but I miss driving my Expedition occasionally because it does certain things better.
 

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I came from a 2012 Ford Expedition, honestly I wish the Ascent was larger and had a better engine. My 5.4 Ford V8 gets 16.2mpg average and my 2.4 Subaru F4 gets 16.8mpg average. My Expedition has a much higher payload and towing ability. Honesty the Ascent needs to be less Dodge Journey-esque in design. I like my 21 Ascent as a daily driver but I miss driving my Expedition occasionally because it does certain things better.
Totally different class. The Expedition is a Large/Full-Sized SUV. The Ascent is a mid sized SUV. If Subaru ever does enter the full sized market, I doubt it will be with the definitely mid-sized Ascent being upsized. ;)
 

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I found it a tad smaller than Traverse and Enclave which I found to be perfect size to haul 6 people and bags.... I still have my 2011 Buick Enclave, very tired of it. But recently found I can tuck 5 bicycles in it with lots of rooms left.
Can someone pass on a message to Subaru to make their next gen Ascent a bit bigger like mentioned in title? Say 2 inches wider and 6+ inches longer?

Thanks!
As someone who has had numerous Enclaves, and in 2019 bought a 2020 Ascent Touring....Stick with. Traverse or Enclave. I had nothing but issues with the Ascent and ending up selling it. Never have I ever had my windshield crack as many times as I did with my Ascent. 2x Rotors warping, 2x brake pads replaced. There are always issues with every brand but I feel like the basics are crap. Super safe but a pain in the a$$ when it comes to the basics. CVT was annoying as hell too.
 

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As someone who has had numerous Enclaves, and in 2019 bought a 2020 Ascent Touring....Stick with. Traverse or Enclave. I had nothing but issues with the Ascent and ending up selling it. Never have I ever had my windshield crack as many times as I did with my Ascent. 2x Rotors warping, 2x brake pads replaced. There are always issues with every brand but I feel like the basics are crap. Super safe but a pain in the a$$ when it comes to the basics. CVT was annoying as hell too.
Just curious, why are you still posting here if you hate the vehicle and sold it?
 

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I found it a tad smaller than Traverse and Enclave which I found to be perfect size to haul 6 people and bags.... I still have my 2011 Buick Enclave, very tired of it. But recently found I can tuck 5 bicycles in it with lots of rooms left.
Can someone pass on a message to Subaru to make their next gen Ascent a bit bigger like mentioned in title? Say 2 inches wider and 6+ inches longer?

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I am sure Subaru will build an Ascent to your specifications. After all, you are their only customer.
 

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Totally different class. The Expedition is a Large/Full-Sized SUV. The Ascent is a mid sized SUV. If Subaru ever does enter the full sized market, I doubt it will be with the definitely mid-sized Ascent being upsized. ;)
I understand that but I was hoping it would have better fuel mileage than what it currently gets.
 

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As someone who has had numerous Enclaves, and in 2019 bought a 2020 Ascent Touring....Stick with. Traverse or Enclave. I had nothing but issues with the Ascent and ending up selling it. Never have I ever had my windshield crack as many times as I did with my Ascent. 2x Rotors warping, 2x brake pads replaced. There are always issues with every brand but I feel like the basics are crap. Super safe but a pain in the a$$ when it comes to the basics. CVT was annoying as hell too.
I agree with the windshield, I just rolled over 700 miles on my 2021 and I just got a crack while driving. Made a loud pop noise and wham I had a crack.
 

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It does. Once you get used to the throttle tip-in. In October 2020, I did 281.6 miles, and got 27.4 mpg (27.3 mpg by the time I let the car idle while making a short video that I may post later). And that's on my heavy BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 LT tires.

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MY TRIP COMPUTER IS GENERALLY OFF NO MORE THAN ½ MPG

Toughest thing is, people don't realize that EPA highway testing is 60 mph and less. Even so, careful use of the accelerator (as little use of it as possible other than to hold speed) can result in great MPG.

Even though 2/3 of my trip was 70 mph (everything to NYC), and the rest was between 50-60 mph (NYC to my home exit) followed by 3 miles at 47mph, I still managed to beat EPA ratings. I was fully in "automatic" mode the entire way (no manual shifting, even though the mountains), with ACC in Adaptive mode. I did remove my roof rack for this trip (they eat gas mileage).
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Things against me:
  • Very heavy BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 Light Truck tires (five of them, counting the hitch mounted spare).
  • COBB AccessPort running 93 octane tune
  • Hundreds of pounds of gear
  • Drove through the Adirondack High Peaks Region, and made some stops (such as the photo stop for the photo I posted earlier).
  • Drove through the Catskill Mountains.
  • ⅔ of my trip was at 70 mph

So, remember, it's not that the fuel ratings of the car are wrong. They are not. If you live in Utah, you will probably never make EPA ratings, because the speed limit is 20 mph OVER the EPA's Highway test ratings' maximum speed.
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If you live somewhere where you can keep the speeds at 70 mph or below, and not keep changing speeds (as traffic sometimes requires), most of you CAN make EPA ratings, especially because most of you are not running tires as heavy as mine.

My friend Aj made a nice little graph of what speeds gas mileage really starts to suffer.
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ALSO REMEMBER...
When I am enjoying using my turbo, my highway gas mileage is only 21-23 mpg. Adjusting my driving habits netted me Almost 4.5-6.5 mpg better.

KEY THINGS:
  • ACC isn't magic. Key factors involved is what the traffic in front of you is doing. If your cruise is set at 70 mph, and your Ascent has to keep slowing to 50 and then speeding back up, you will be eating gas. To get great gas mileages, I try to drive at as steady of a speed as possible.
  • The Ascent has a turbo, with a quick tip-in point. Unless you learn your throttle, you're going to be burning gas.
  • It's fun to floor the Ascent, but, don't do it and expect good gas mileage.
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  • MOST OF YOU live in areas where the speed limit is 65, 70, 75 or higher. If you're driving over 70 mph, you will rarely, if ever, see EPA highway ratings, because the speed for the testing is 60 mph or less.
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  • NO, Subaru can't just make up their own tests. Car manufacturers follow the EPA testing, as they are required to.
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  • The Ascent has a massive and flat front end, as required to suck in all the air the turbo needs and to keep engine and CVT cool - so, yeah, making gas mileage ratings may have been easier on your previous, smaller, turbo vehicle. The Ascent is a big 7/8 passenger car.
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Maybe EPA Highway Testing speeds need to be updated.

Instead, they added a "High Speed" test, but that's not the data on the EPA Required "City/Combined/Highway" posts/stickers.

So, until things change, I guess it's a matter of being realistic with our expectations. Next time I go cross country, I know I can't make EPA ratings, because I will be traveling considerably faster than the 60 mph speeds that the EPA requires for testing highway gas mileage.
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(Image by this CC BY-SA 4.0, File:US Speed Limits.svg - Wikimedia Commons)
 

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The EPA does periodically revise its estimate methodology. Their website describes the changes over time.

Our 2005 Acura MDX was originally rated 17/23/19, which was a bit optimistic, but achievable if careful. It was "downgraded" to 15/21/17 using maths to approximate what it would be if tested under the new protocol. That's actually a bit lower than we typically get...but it is, after all, just an estimate.

By 2008, Honda was using the updated high speed tests, and our 2009 Ridgeline's estimate of 15/20/17 still stands as the current estimate. The 2007 Ridgeline was originally rated 16/21/18, but the "downgraded" 15/20/17 number appears on fueleconomy.gov today. As with our Acura, we do get closer to the "old" 16/21/18 number in our 2009 Ridgeline.
 

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The EPA does periodically revise its estimate methodology. Their website describes the changes over time.
Yep, and yet they're still ridiculously behind. No state in the country has a max speed limit of 60 or lower any more. None have for a while. Over 80% aren't even remotely close (70mph or more). Almost 40% are 75 mph and higher.

Honda used HIGHWAY MPG (caps theirs) testing, not high speed, in 2008/2009. That testing was as much as 1-2 mpg easier than our current testing (eg: the Honda would be rated at 18-19 mpg today.

In other words, it was easier for an owner to make rated MPG straight through 2017, when the testing changed again.

The Ascent would probably be rated 18/24 back in 2008.

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The testing had changes to acceleration characteristics, per the EPA.
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CriteriaAscent (2019+)EnclaveExplorer (2020+)4runner (2010+)
wheelbase length114"120"119"110"
wheel track width64"67"67"63"
body length197"204"199"191"

I'm all for wider, but not necessarily longer, to fit 4x8" lumber material sheets. If Subaru reconfigure the 3rd row to eliminate the cupholders and widen the hatch opening about 3", I think 4x8 sheet goods can fit well.
i don't see how .. i put 80" solar panel in the Ascent and still have to move front seats forward to the point i wasn't comfortable 8ft is 96" ... where do you get extra 16" ? or are you planning to drive with open gate ?

Enclave opening is also small but on Traverse it's 48+" and 4x8 only sticks out 7"

...YUKON XL AT4 :geek:
 

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Easily carrying 4x8 sheets of material was the best thing about owning a minivan. Fit like a glove, low load height, and could close the back. Only thing I miss about it.
 

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i don't see how .. i put 80" solar panel in the Ascent and still have to move front seats forward to the point i wasn't comfortable 8ft is 96" ... where do you get extra 16" ? or are you planning to drive with open gate ?

Enclave opening is also small but on Traverse it's 48+" and 4x8 only sticks out 7"

...YUKON XL AT4 :geek:
Keep the gate open, that's how I haul some stuff w/ my Ascent.
 
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