I definitely wouldn't recommend towing anything over 80-85% of any vehicle's tow rating (also taking into account if cargo affects tongue weight, which it does on the Ascent).Anyone tow a travel trailer at or over the 5000lb weight and/or 500lbs hitch weight? I know this is not recommended, just wondering how the Ascent will handle at extremes.
Have towed a 3,500 lb camper with no problems at all. Was charging up a 8% grade at 60+mph.
Is 4380 the trailer’s gvwr or empty weight? Same question about the 485lb tongue weight. Balanced properly you can tow those numbers. If you plan on carrying gear on top of those numbers you’re going to max it out or exceed the Ascent’s rating easily, especially the tongue weight. With it being that close I’d recommend a tongue scale.I'm not looking for a direct answer, but just some guidance.
I'm a little concerned about the 485 lb. dry tongue weight. You won't know until after you own it and load the cargo whether or not you can keep it under 500 lbs. That's a considerable risk. It's better to start off with a better margin. It all depends on the trailer's balance, location of cargo areas, and location of water tanks.I have the Premium Subaru Ascent, 5,000lb rating. We were trying to find a camping trailer under 4,000lbs, but we're coming in at about 4,380 lbs. It's over the weight that we hoped, but it's the trailer we want. It's a jayco x23b, 24 ft. travel trailer, tongue weight is 485. We will be traveling 6-10 times per year, mostly under 300 miles, but 2 trips per year would be 1,000 miles.
When reading all of these threads, I'm thinking we would be okay, but obviously need to be careful of terrain. Am I on the right course here or out of my mind?
I'm not looking for a direct answer, but just some guidance.
Our Jayco's listed tongue weight was a "dry" tongue weight at 315 lbs, and did not include the weight of filled propane tank(s) or the battery. Once those are added, the tongue weight of my unloaded trailer was a measured 368 lbs. You need to look at the label on the driver's door pillar to see how much cargo your specific vehicle can carry. For my 2019 Premium it's 1,158 lbs. That includes the weight of all passengers, accessories you may have added to your car such as a roof rack, crossbars, etc., as well as child seats, plus anything else you might carry such as tools and other things that fill up every nook and cranny. Also, the car's cargo weight must also factor in the tongue weight of the trailer, so your car's cargo limit will get eaten up real fast when you add all of that stuff up. My personal opinion is the trailer you want is not suited for the Ascent because I believe the tongue weight will exceed the 500 pound limit, but there will be others who will likely disagree with me. You may be able to move weight behind the axle to help offset some of the tongue weight, but it won't be a pound-for-pound offset unless it's relocated the same distance behind the axle as the tongue is in front of it, and most trailer designs don't allow for that - it will depend just how far over the 500 lb limit you are.Thank you for this reply!
These are dry weights. We would not be towing the black water, grey water, water tanks filled at all. Our gear would be split in the camper and car. We're a family of 4. Total weight of us is under 400.
Trailer's gvwr is 5,500, but I don't believe we would get to the point of adding the payload capacity of 1,120 lbs. Loaded we "may" get to 5,000lbs.
I'm just confused about this all in relation to the cars gvwr... So would we want to lighten the load on the trailer and load the car more??
I also know we're not supposed to use the weight distribution hitch. Our receiver is factory installed.
The dry UVW weight of 4380 lbs. gives you a total cargo weight of only 620 lbs. with no margin of safety, so that's the first issue.Thank you again! I don't disagree, just trying to see what the issue is specifically. Is this just regarding the tongue weight issue or the trailer weight 4,380 lb also or the combination of both?
If we could find a trailer with similar weight, but lower tongue weight would that be sufficient?
Another concern I have with these weights is that, in order to not exceed the Ascent's 500 pound tongue weight, you would need to load everything perfectly balanced on the axle. Keeping tongue weight low by overloading the rear of the trailer may seem to solve the tongue weight issue, but, in reality, by having such a heavy tail, and a very low tongue weight (by percent of trailer weight) it will create an even bigger issue by introducing greatly exaggerated lateral forces which can introduce sway.The dry GVW weight of 4380 lbs. gives you a total cargo weight of only 620 lbs. with no margin of safety, so that's the first issue.
The dry tongue weight of 485 lbs. gives you only a mere 15 lbs. before you reach the Ascent's maximum, that's the second issue.
I second looking for a tandem axle, whenever possible, no matter what the tow vehicle. There's less sway, they're easier to balance and get tongue weight right, and, in the event of a tire blowout, things are a lot more calm.Most have double axles
Great points, and I'll also add that there is less chance of a rollover with a double axle....I second looking for a tandem axle, whenever possible, no matter what the tow vehicle. There's less sway, they're easier to balance and get tongue weight right, and, in the event of a tire blowout, things are a lot more calm.
Many tandems in our weight range have tanks mounted above and between the axles. There's about three feet between the axles on the trailer I tow. So, with tanks between the axles, it definitely balances differently, and, there's definitely less weight on the tongue.Tandem axle trailers balance the same.
IMO I would seriously consider a different brand than a Jayco. When we were looking for 5th wheels, the brand new Jaycos were already having issues like peeling trim, bad cabinet closers, etc. The 6 year old Evergreen we bought was still in much better shape than the brand new Jaycos. They're like the Motel 6 of campers. You can stay in one, but it's not the best!Ok, Thanks to all of you for this. We're going to shift down to the Jayco x19h, dry weight 3810, hitch weight 340, double axle.
Makes more sense for safety and stability. I can worry now about where to go instead of what not to do with too heavy of a camper!