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I have a Keystone Hideout 186ss travel trailer. I was hoping to order an Ascent as my tow vehicle. My packed weight is under the 5,000 lb tow limit (4,800 lb max packed), but tongue weight is 610 lb. 
How concerned should I be about the 110 lb overage on tongue weight?
If it is an issue (in terms of performance and/or warranty) is there anything that I can do to make these two compatible?
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I am in no way an expert, never having towed anything before. But seems like I've read people on this forum saying it's not a great idea to cut things too close in terms of the 5000 lb limit. Hopefully more knowledgeable people will chime in soon with their opinions and advice.
 

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I have a Keystone Hideout 186ss travel trailer. I was hoping to order an Ascent as my tow vehicle. My packed weight is under the 5,000 lb tow limit (4,800 lb max packed), but tongue weight is 610 lb. 
How concerned should I be about the 110 lb overage on tongue weight?
If it is an issue (in terms of performance and/or warranty) is there anything that I can do to make these two compatible?
Does Subaru have any upgrades at the time of order in terms of their hitch capacity?
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Hi Jen, that's way over on tongue weight (a whopping 22%). So, sadly, besides being illegal in all states, it's an issue with safety as well as with the design limits of the car. That much over also becomes dangerous for handling, dangerous for sway, and even potentially dangerous for damaging the car.

Alas, there are no aftermarket or OEM hitches or devices that will increase the Ascent's capabilities.

So, short answer: NO, dangerous, illegal, and virtually impossible to make it work. Sorry
 

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Shift the loading to get the tongue weight to withing 10-15% of the actual loaded weight. The loaded weight needs to be less than 5000lb and the actual tongue weight less than 500lb. Easy peasy.
 

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As Merope said most travel trailers are rated at 10-15 % of total weight to be on the hitch. If you can get it down to 500lbs you will be at the max. I'm not sure I would want to do that personally, but it is possible.
 

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In the Facebook group conversation for the same question, someone pointed out that the manufacturer specification for Dry Tongue Weight is 610 lbs. If that's true, I do not believe that anyone can get it lower and still have a safe towing experience with that trailer design. While "in general" tongue weights for North American design trailers tend to be in the 10-15% range, the specific design of the trailer matters.
 

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Shift the loading to get the tongue weight to withing 10-15% of the actual loaded weight. The loaded weight needs to be less than 5000lb and the actual tongue weight less than 500lb. Easy peasy.
As Merope said most travel trailers are rated at 10-15 % of total weight to be on the hitch. If you can get it down to 500lbs you will be at the max. I'm not sure I would want to do that personally, but it is possible.
The default starting dry hitch weight is 610 pounds. Totally dry as shipped is 4,295 lbs. It carries as much as 707 pounds of water. With gear, propane tanks, and some water, it's going to be just about at its 5,000 pound GVWR, and will require a tongue weight of 10% to be barely manageable while running the Ascent at 100% towing weight and 100% tongue weight. That puts the tongue weight ratio well below the dealer recommendation. This trailer is designed to be very heavy on the tongue, and counteracting that will not create a balanced trailer, and will be dangerous.

My apologies for not mentioning the specs parts, especially since it was part of the factors I'd used. Sorry for that.
 

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Don't know who else saw it, but there was a reply to this thread earlier that seemed to be copying/mocking my reply earlier. I saw an email notifying me of the post (and showing the beginning of it), but when I clicked on the thread the post seemed to be deleted. Does anyone know what the entire post was or why it was deleted? I'm not sure why my post was mocked, exactly, so just curious what else was said.

This is the part of the post I saw. "I'm not the slightest bit a specialist, never having towed anything. However, seems like I've perused individuals on this gathering saying it's anything but smart to cut things excessively close as far as the 5000 lb limit. Ideally more educated individuals will ring in soon with their.."
 

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Don't know who else saw it, but there was a reply to this thread earlier that seemed to be copying/mocking my reply earlier. I saw an email notifying me of the post (and showing the beginning of it), but when I clicked on the thread the post seemed to be deleted. Does anyone know what the entire post was or why it was deleted? I'm not sure why my post was mocked, exactly, so just curious what else was said.

This is the part of the post I saw. "I'm not the slightest bit a specialist, never having towed anything. However, seems like I've perused individuals on this gathering saying it's anything but smart to cut things excessively close as far as the 5000 lb limit. Ideally more educated individuals will ring in soon with their.."
It was a spammer that copies most or all of an existing post and changes a few words and then replied with that. I spam cleaned them.
 

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It was a spammer that copies most or all of an existing post and changes a few words and then replied with that. I spam cleaned them.
Thanks, Robert! Appreciate you letting me know. Definitely don't like spammers, but I guess that's better than if it was someone on the site specifically having some kind of problem with me, which is what I first thought it was.
 

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In the Facebook group conversation for the same question, someone pointed out that the manufacturer specification for Dry Tongue Weight is 610 lbs. If that's true, I do not believe that anyone can get it lower and still have a safe towing experience with that trailer design. While "in general" tongue weights for North American design trailers tend to be in the 10-15% range, the specific design of the trailer matters.
And if the owners manual for said trailer specifies a 10-15% tw as acceptable?
 

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A heavy tongue weight is a definite no-no. Not only is it overloading the suspension, but it is also taking weight off the front wheels which will greatly reduce your ability to steer!

He's a pic of my Mustang loaded on the trailer when I had it too far forward. Note the huge gap in the front wheel well and the tiny gap in the rear wheel well!

I moved the Mustang back about a foot and the tongue weight was fine.

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And if the owners manual for said trailer specifies a 10-15% tw as acceptable?
While it does, that'd be 500 pounds for many loading scenarios, and that's with absolutely perfect loading.
 

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While it does, that'd be 500 pounds for many loading scenarios, and that's with absolutely perfect loading.
And that doesn't negate what the manufacturer says. As long as the TW is in that range it's acceptable and should tow just fine.
 

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And that doesn't negate what the manufacturer says. As long as the TW is in that range it's acceptable and should tow just fine.
It's not that simple. It literally REQUIRES loading the trailer to be able to move the tongue weight. Empty, it's 611 pounds with nothing movable to change that. It's not like people can unbolt the bathroom and toss it towards the front of the trailer. 😉
 

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If all the above posts haven't convinced you that the Ascent is not the appropriate tow vehicle, here's another factor. The tongue weight of the trailer gets subtracted from the Ascent's GVW so you lose over 500#s of vehicle capacity before passengers and other cargo that goes into the car.

Suggest that you look at user groups for your model of trailer and see which tow vehicles others are using successfully.

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It's not that simple. It literally REQUIRES loading the trailer to be able to move the tongue weight. Empty, it's 611 pounds with nothing movable to change that. It's not like people can unbolt the bathroom and toss it towards the front of the trailer. 😉
A couple of propane tanks and a battery are easy to move, 😉.

I do understand your point and agree this is not a good choice for the ascent. But it's disingenuous to say the TW is X-lbs so it can't be made lower than that safely. Yes it can, so long as it's in the safe weight range permitted by the manufacturer.
 

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A couple of propane tanks and a battery are easy to move, 😉.
They're actually not, unless you are suggesting having to disconnect them for travel.

It's also actually illegal in many states to transport a propane tank inside an enosed trailer.


The only mathatical way to achieve the overlap of Manufacturer tongue weight range (10-15%) and Ascent tongue weight range (8-11%) is to have the trailer at exactly 4,545 to 5,000 pounds ALL of the time one is towing (10-11%). It is mathematically impossible to properly achieve proper tongue weight otherwise.

So, since one actually cannot simply move the batteries without redoing wiring (or need to lug it back and forth a bunch), and since one cannot legally transport the filled propane tanks in the trailer... I stand by my earlier statement. 😉
 
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