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^ Should be pretty strong in the backcountry powder as well. The overall tread pattern is one that should be favorable for snow mobility.
 

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Out of curiosity, how bad are the Blizzak DM-V2's when they're more than 55% used up? Still better than all seasons in icy conditions, or essentially equal to all seasons?
 

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My guess is that they will still handle wintry conditions better than an otherwise average "All Season."

Even at 6/32nd, you're looking at comparing the worn dual-layer Blizzaks (which all refer to having a base winter compound) to an otherwise average "All Season" that's also similarly worn, so both will have significant degradation in terms of their ability to move fresh-powder and slushplane resistance. The loss of physical siping at such depths will also significantly decrease the overall wintering capabilities (including on snow), in the former.

But compared to another top-tier (and comparable sub-genre, that of the "Studless Ice & Snow") winter tire with through-and-through compound, albeit at the same tread-depth?

We've seen back at the inception of the new Michelin X-Ice series - at their premier of the Xi2 variant back in 2008 - that the then-top-tier Bridgestone "Studless Ice & Snow" competitor (the specific tire compared was their WS60), when shaved to that same depth, clearly could not keep up.

But you noticed that I highlighted something above, right? ;)

The key that we need to remember, though, is that we can't just say any "All Season" tire. If we should learn anything out of the many European and Scandinavian tests that I cited in this thread: https://www.ascentforums.com/thread...cold-dry-roads-versus-all-seasons-tires.8765/ - it is that the base tire makes a huge difference.

What marketing here in North America has led consumers to believe is that "even the worst winter tire will be better than even the best "All Season" in wintry conditions," and this is plainly false, as the many tests above readily demonstrate.

Similarly, each base tire will have its strengths as well as weaknesses.

With the highly regarded Michelin Xi3 (also a premium "Studless Ice & Snow"), for example, lateral performance in/on frozen precipitation is one of its weak points when compared against other top-tier "Studless Ice & Snow" tires (NAF testing, 2018). But would anyone suggest that's a problem, when compared to a run-of-the-mill "All Season?" Or even that same year's most winter-capable "All Season," which puts in a performance that's "only" more or less equivalent to a tire that's one step down from the Xi3s in terms of wintering capabilities (i.e. a tire in the "Performance Winter" sub-genre)?

Now, if that made things a bit confusing, allow me to simplify. :)

Why would anyone run a winter tire down to 6/32nd and -NOT- change it for the following season?

If ostensibly that same driver hails the purchase of winter tires as a way to enhance safety, insisting on pushing that winter tire to a depth that's below its "Winter Service Bar/"Snow Platform" would be self-defeating. :)
 

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Who makes 20" studded snows at this point? Having trouble finding them. Nokia has some but between version 8 9 & 10 some places have them some don't, without calling around yet, is that the way to go for studs?

Backstory: We live in montana, they don't plow much here. Our neighborhood gets plowed once a month. I work at the local ski area and need to be there regardless of how much it's snowed or if it's plowed. This is our 9th subaru, the one it's replacing did have blizaks but it's current stable mate (2015 outback) has studded snows already for winter wear and wildpeaks for summer duty. We'd like the ascent to be a studded/wildpeak combo but will go with blizaks if we must. Ideally we'll have snows on the 20s and summer/ATs on the 18s for sidewall.
 

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My friends at @Discount Tire can find you the options for what you want. What size are you looking for? Stock 18", stock 20" or something different?

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Who makes 20" studded snows at this point? Having trouble finding them. Nokia has some but between version 8 9 & 10 some places have them some don't, without calling around yet, is that the way to go for studs?

Backstory: We live in montana, they don't plow much here. Our neighborhood gets plowed once a month. I work at the local ski area and need to be there regardless of how much it's snowed or if it's plowed. This is our 9th subaru, the one it's replacing did have blizaks but it's current stable mate (2015 outback) has studded snows already for winter wear and wildpeaks for summer duty. We'd like the ascent to be a studded/wildpeak combo but will go with blizaks if we must. Ideally we'll have snows on the 20s and summer/ATs on the 18s for sidewall.
 

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I do think that Nokians are one of the very few that offer it in our factory 20-inch fitment.

Availability may be quite limited now due to supply-chain issues.

Even if you get previous-generation products (not old stock, mind you ;) rather, the difference between, say, the 8 versus 9), you will still be just fine, as if you look beyond the "ranked" overall results, you'll see that quantitated data are usually pretty close.
 

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What size are you looking for? Stock 18", stock 20" or something different?
20" studded snows
I do think that Nokians are one of the very few that offer it in our factory 20-inch fitment.

Availability may be quite limited now due to supply-chain issues.

Even if you get previous-generation products (not old stock, mind you ;) rather, the difference between, say, the 8 versus 9), you will still be just fine, as if you look beyond the "ranked" overall results, you'll see that quantitated data are usually pretty close.
I'm not picky about which generation at all. I just want the least expensive option that's available.

Also, I see tire rack is out of TPMS sensors? Is this for other vendors as well? Where has anyone gotten TPMS sensors and gotten them cloned to be the same as their stock ones to avoid having to deal with swapping serials?
 

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I'm not picky about which generation at all. I just want the least expensive option that's available.

Also, I see tire rack is out of TPMS sensors? Is this for other vendors as well? Where has anyone gotten TPMS sensors and gotten them cloned to be the same as their stock ones to avoid having to deal with swapping serials?
I just bought one from @Discount Tire
 

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Also, I see tire rack is out of TPMS sensors? Is this for other vendors as well? Where has anyone gotten TPMS sensors and gotten them cloned to be the same as their stock ones to avoid having to deal with swapping serials?
Actually, I didn't realize that there still is currently a TPMS shortage. There definitely was one: again a fallout of the chip shortage and supply-chain weirdness that COVID has brought about.

I believe folks on various automotive hobbyist Forums started talking about it in early-mid May of this year. People's vehicle deliveries were either being held up or they were being asked to receive vehicles without TPMS, to be fitted as-available (I don't know about the legalities of that - just reporting what I'd read). I purchased a set of new wheels/tires in August, and didn't have any issues, but that itself may have been a fluke.

As with @Robert.Mauro , I simply had my chosen wheel/tire vendor (Tire Rack, in my case) fit the new set with TPMS, and I used my Autel TS805 to register the new set.
 

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^ so tire rack has a warning on their page about it where you would usually add them. Asks if you want them mounted and balanced WITHOUT TPMS or if you'd like the 8 parts sent to an installer. So they're currently out.

We're getting a new to us ascent. It needs tires (35k on the OEMs). I'll drive the stockers until october and then get snows on those wheels locally. Then come spring I'll get 18s with wildpeaks and TPMS. I have a quickset for swapping with my 2015 outback and legacy. Will that work with an ascent (2019)? Ideally I'd get a set cloned so I don't have to bother (something I didn't know was an option when I went the quickset way).
 

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Who makes 20" studded snows at this point? Having trouble finding them. Nokia has some but between version 8 9 & 10 some places have them some don't, without calling around yet, is that the way to go for studs?

Backstory: We live in montana, they don't plow much here. Our neighborhood gets plowed once a month. I work at the local ski area and need to be there regardless of how much it's snowed or if it's plowed. This is our 9th subaru, the one it's replacing did have blizaks but it's current stable mate (2015 outback) has studded snows already for winter wear and wildpeaks for summer duty. We'd like the ascent to be a studded/wildpeak combo but will go with blizaks if we must. Ideally we'll have snows on the 20s and summer/ATs on the 18s for sidewall.
We can assist with this and would love the opportunity to earn your business. As a bit of an explanation on why you are having troubles finding inventory, most retailers have not received their shipment of winter products yet. Most tire manufacturers only build 1 run of their winter product, its usually built in the early summer and shipped out early fall, we may not start seeing stock until late September- late October. PM coming your way.

Thank you @Robert.Mauro for the tag!
 

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I have a quickset for swapping with my 2015 outback and legacy. Will that work with an ascent (2019)? Ideally I'd get a set cloned so I don't have to bother (something I didn't know was an option when I went the quickset way).
I'm afraid this I really don't know - I don't have any experience with the ATEQ QuickSet.
 

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my local shop (who I've bought from before) happened to have the studded coopers we already have on the outback in stock, they're going on thursday! Car is getting tinted today... And the hitch showed up as well so if I get time that'll go on but the ski box will probably go on first so I can ski sunday....
 
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