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Removing engine for upper and lower oil pan leak

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I took my 2022 Ascent in for a routine oil change and was told there was oil on the underside of the car so they needed to investigate to see if there was a leak. Oil level was fine, no oil leaks on garage floor, only 6000 miles on the car. They showed me a video of the actual leak and said it was due to upper and lower oil pan leaks so they would have to order parts and pull the engine to replace the upper and lower oil pans. In addition, they said the car might need parts for the turbo but they couldn't be sure until they started the repair and parts for the turbo are on backorder until April. In the meantime my new car is out of commission sitting in the dealer's lot and I don't have a car. No one can tell me what could have caused the oil pans to leak? I am concerned about the repairs and pulling the engine on such a new car - will it ever be "right" again or should I just try to get rid of it when the repairs are done? I noticed several older postings in the forum on oil pan leaks in the Ascents - I have to wonder what's going on with Ascent engines so should I rethink getting another one? And, what is Subaru's responsibility in not being able to fix the car for 2-3 months due to backordered parts? I've owned 7 Subarus over the years but this has shaken my trust in the brand. Appreciate any feedback to my questions.
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Thanks for responding. I did ask for a loaner and they gave me a Crosstrek but its in rough shape. It stalls if I sit at a light or stop sign with my foot on the brakes so I have to shift it into park whenever I stop. I have a call in to see what they can do but no response yet.
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Thanks so much. We just followed the instructions in the article you sent and turned the feature off. I've never driven a Crosstrek so I had no idea what to do.
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😂 my wife said the same thing when she got a loaner with the feature. She said the darn thing stalled every time she stopped.
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[/ It's hard enough to go from an Ascent to a Crosstrek, I wish they would warn us about this feature when they loan the car...I usually haul kids and hockey gear that's why I got Big Ascent - I can't even fit a hockey stick in this car!
We had this repair done. Everything was fine for a few months, and then it apparently started leaking again. So they did the same repair again, even though it was a “permanent fix” the first time… YMMV.
Thanks for responding. our story is exactly what concerns me. Did you need to have your engine pulled for the repair? How did you discover that it was leaking again? It sounds like you had to go through another repair - did it last this time? I have an extended warranty but I don't want to waste time trying to get through multiple service visits if it keeps needing repairs.
I had a similar repair done on my Outback a few months ago and everything has been fine since then. There was one loose exhaust bolt after the repair but the dealer fixed that and off I went.

I would request an Ascent loaner from your dealer. Or at least an Outback.
Thanks for responding. Did they have to pull your engine to do the repair? Did it last or did it start leaking again?
Yeah they pulled the engine. It hasn't started leaking again, but it's been less than 6k miles. I plan to give it a through visual check at my next oil change.
Thanks for the update, I hope the repair holds...No news on my repair, they're still waiting for parts
Have you looked at the Lemon Laws in your state? I could be wrong, but if your Ascent is out of commission for 2-3 months, you may qualify. I'm not sure if supply chain issues affect that, but it may be worth looking into.
Thanks for the suggestion, I did not look into the Lemon Law but I will definitely do that. If they can't get the car fixed until April it will be out of commission for 3-4 months!
I took my 2022 Ascent in for a routine oil change and was told there was oil on the underside of the car so they needed to investigate to see if there was a leak. Oil level was fine, no oil leaks on garage floor, only 6000 miles on the car. They showed me a video of the actual leak and said it was due to upper and lower oil pan leaks so they would have to order parts and pull the engine to replace the upper and lower oil pans. In addition, they said the car might need parts for the turbo but they couldn't be sure until they started the repair and parts for the turbo are on backorder until April. In the meantime my new car is out of commission sitting in the dealer's lot and I don't have a car. No one can tell me what could have caused the oil pans to leak? I am concerned about the repairs and pulling the engine on such a new car - will it ever be "right" again or should I just try to get rid of it when the repairs are done? I noticed several older postings in the forum on oil pan leaks in the Ascents - I have to wonder what's going on with Ascent engines so should I rethink getting another one? And, what is Subaru's responsibility in not being able to fix the car for 2-3 months due to backordered parts? I've owned 7 Subarus over the years but this has shaken my trust in the brand. Appreciate any feedback to my questions.
Just an update if anyone is interested...I keep seeing posts about oil pan leaks in the Ascent. I posted this originally when my 2022 Ascent was towed in to the dealer in February. The car is still in the shop so this make 4 weeks and the last update was they are still ordering parts but "hoped" to have it finished in another week. Hard to believe a new car with 6000 miles on it (garage kept) has this many oil leak issues? Anyone have this problem, if so, what was the outcome for you?
I had the oil pan leak on my ‘22 with only about 4,000 miles on it. No oil on floor or visible to me. Subaru found the leak. Mine wasn’t engine removal but they needed to wait for some piece to come in-I think it was a gasket for something they had to remove to fix leak. They had my car a week and gave me a loaner. I involved SOA over how badly it was handled. That’s posted on site by me l, if you search it.
Thanks, I just read your posts. Sounds very similar to what is going on with my car. Still no updates on when I'll get it back - it's been almost a month. I am communicating with SOA thru an attorney - an expensive car like the Ascent (marketed as "reliable") shouldn't need such extensive engine repairs at 7000 miles? They said they've had to pull the engine to replace both upper and lower oil pans, turbo parts, exhaust parts, gaskets, etc. I've owned 7 prior Subarus. This is my second Ascent and never thought I'd lose faith in the brand but I'm not sure I can trust it now so I don't know if I want to keep it. Are you satisfied with the performance of your Ascent since the repairs were completed?
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@Reenie - If you're still in the same loaner Crosstrek, see if your dealership isn't willing to upgrade you to another loaner. I'd make it clear to them that you want/need the extra cargo room: that's why you got the Ascent in the first place, as a repeat Subaru owner. If they are unwilling, take the case to SoA Advocacy, who should be more than willing to listen and hopefully even provide a push on your behalf.

In terms of the problem itself, remember that what seems like "a lot" online is only a very, very small fraction of the number of Ascents actually out on the roads. By being in this community -and other online social media- we're taking ourselves out of the bell-curve already. Furthermore, remember that there will be those who come to these communities specifically and only to voice their concern or even frustrations. "A lot" online really isn't, unless there's been an actual TSB or recall issued - and even then the recall may only affect a very, very small percentage of actual vehicles on-road (i.e. the WRL-22 PCT heater bolt recall: RECALL: WRL-22 -- PTC Heater Ground Bolt).

In terms of the repair, my wife's '09 Forester XT had its engine replaced with just over 4,000 miles on its odometer. The vehicle somehow managed to slip through and pass the "Stop Sale" testing at the time, and SoA warrantied the vehicle with a new longblock (my old thread on SubaruForester.org, our actual service ticket appears in post number 26: 09 Turbo engine failure). We picked up the vehicle the day before a weekend roadtrip of 1,400-miles - she pulled as strongly as before she had the problem, and that vehicle was trouble-free for the duration of her time with us. We are a leasing family, and have leased/owned twelve Subarus since 2005 - so yes, we did return to the brand, even after this major service.

Modern production and QA/QC has made mass-produced consumer automobiles extremely, extremely reliable commodities. Small "teething issues" are not uncommon -similarly, recalls are not uncommon, due to the complexity of new vehicles- but major problems such as what you're looking at are, luckily, much less common.

Is twelve Subarus over ~18 years (add another four more, when you count my in-laws' Subarus) "a lot?"

For one family, yes, it is.

But I am also cognizant that in the big picture, my own experience with these vehicles doesn't amount to much more than anecdotal evidence. :)

Hope this helps!
Thanks so much for your reply...yes, it was very helpful to put perspective on the problem. I've always kept my Subarus for 4-5 years and then passed them on to family or friends because I had faith in their longevity so I never expected this with such a new car. I am still driving the little Crosstrek loaner so I think it is time to pressure them for a larger car. I need the kid and cargo space LOL Thanks again!
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Just had my 2019 Subaru Ascent in for the heater bolt recall and they mentioned a critical upper oil pan leak. So critical the picture did not show any oil and will have to wait 2-3 months for parts / loaner. Are these guys just taking advantage of the 4 days labor warranty work needed to pull the engine, etc.??? I live over 2 hours from any Subaru dealer so kinda a pain. Today was the 5th appointment for recall work. Getting old...
My 2022 Ascent was in the shop 4 times to get the oil pan leaks diagnosed and take care of the recall. Then they kept it for 30 days to finally fix it. My dealer is also 1 1/2 hours away so the trips back and forth got old. They blamed parts being on back order for the delays but also said it was a "really big job" to pull the engine and they had to replace both upper and lower oil pans and the turbo so they wanted their technicians to "take their time and make sure they do it right". I was stuck with a little Crosstek loaner for a month which was a real pain when I had to haul hockey gear and kids! I've only had my Ascent back for 2 weeks and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's really "fixed" now...I hope they get yours done sooner rather than later.
My Outback still looking good after the first oil change since the repair, which was a few weeks ago.

Did my 3rd oil change on the Ascent today (15,600 miles) and guess who has an oil leak? 🤬 I could not spot the source, but it was wet near the oil pan bolts so I'm guessing the upper or lower pan is the culprit.
Sorry to hear you've got an oil leak in your Ascent. Mine is a 2022 and it started leaking at about 7000 miles. It turned out to be both the upper and lower oil pan and the turbo so they had to pull the engine. It took a month for them to get it fixed and some parts were on back order. It's been about 1000 miles since the repair and we're watching it carefully but all's well right now (fingers crossed). I hope they can get to the source of your leak and repair it quickly.
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