If you know please give link to proof of that. Thank you.
There is no mention of if the Ascent had a moon roof or not here:
We have an older F150 and now we find out from that lawsuit this week where a family was awarded 1.7 billion because their F250 did not hold up at all from a roll over due to a blown out tire. Both grandparents were crushed because their roof was almost as safe as a convertible it was reported. I saw the pictures and it was pretty awful how the roof was flattened so easily. We live in area where there are very deep ditches due to the high rains we have seasonally along fast roads and no shoulders and well we see folks periodically in these ditches and roll overs are very possible. Plus anyone could have a blown out tire or someone could hit you and push you off the road and cause a roll over. I witnessed a car infront of me get hit so hard it flipped onto it's top quickly. No sway bar is going to stop that!
I am done with trucks since wink wink car makers all have been ignoring this issue with trucks from what I have been able to find online. I mean if these vehicle makers know to test their cars it is reasonable to assume they should be applying those good safety measures with their trucks too. Also with the new EVs I wonder if it is a two sided sword since those batteries are reported to be extremely heavy and yes it might prevent some roll overs but when they do happen, will those roofs be able to handle all that weight when they do roll over? Conveniently we don't hear a thing about that or I haven't been able to easily find it so far.
After looking online, I am a newbie at this, I find the NHTSA to be very lacking and it does make me wonder if this agency is also politically managed like we have seen with the FDA, CDC and NIH that last two years and beyond. Not really to be trusted. They don't even rank the cars and it is deliberately tedious and you can't compare at all. Not useful much at all and I believe because U.S. auto makers tend to not be that great at safer designs from what I can tell they may be making sure that site is not too helpful.
I thought the Europeans NCAP might be better but even worse if that is possible. Yeah if you want to know about Mercedes cars it is great but those are not affordable to many here.
Ironically I found the Insurance Institute crash testing with videos very helpful but still they don't explain if the test vehicles had moon roofs or not nor do they address the issue in general. I talked to a gal there and she is going to email me back but not holding my breath with the way things are today. Car makers lump these extras together with the add on packages so if you want better sound system etc then you get a moon roof etc. from the looks of it. Addressing these add ons which are popular needs to be added to these tests. I mean what if the moon roof not only affects the roll over tests with roofs but what about the side tests or front tests? I only hear crickets right now online. Subaru could do better on this.
We will be buying a new vehicle in the next year or so and starting the process of vetting out the cars. I wish this Acsent came in a hybrid since that would help the gas mileage on these. I am not really wanting an EV anytime soon since I think the issues have yet to really be vetted like how much kilowatts cost in different parts of the nation and will the demand increase the cost of kws for all electrical uses and push states to build nuclear plants again? With states drying up, dams will be less helpful, grids that lose so much electricity in transmission and power companies having to shut down to prevent fires from their electrical lines in California the old way of thinking of going electric has some big hurdles to scale.
However, in Everett WA next to Boeing a new type of energy plant is being built with magnets and only big tech investors have been able to buy in (I tried) it could be a first step to a real alternative. It is called Helion. Maybe they can make a power unit small enough to fit in homes and cars???? But it will take a long time to see that work out. My cost per kws in public owned power company is about 8 cents per kw mostly using hydro power. I would love to see the kw price when they do their EV savings pitch. When I ask writer to give the whole equation they don't respond. I do think when you get into the weeds of EV it is not the answer either but one they are running with all the same.
Many years back some who worked for big power companies who bought and sold energy between west coast states mentioned how close were were to brown outs and that was over two decades ago in a state with hydro power. It is not so simple to just go EV and all. Our electrical costs will soar as the demand soars and we don't pay the highest rates due to hydro either and can't imagine what others are doing without cheaper hydro power. The cart before the horse is being done on this and they are going to have to prove their strategies on all this. I am tired of buying into half truths.
Here in the state of Washington we built the nuclear plants only to moth ball them and tear them down and that cost taxpayers in this state billions decades ago! Plus we are still arguing with the feds about cleaning up Hanford since WWII and those leaky toxic nuclear waste tanks underground are making their way to the Columbia River and some say they have already. The cost for Hanford clean up recently was quoted around 600 billion for all taxpayers to pay for it and it will take till 2078 to complete. I will be long gone by then so will most of us. I doubt they will do it since it has already been 80 years so far and not much has been done so far that means anything to those who rely on the Columbia river or the pacific coast it runs into.
I would be interested in easily converting my gas vehicle to hydrogen over nuclear energy from what I have read. Iceland has done this with their gas vehicles and they don't have to import anything and no mining of anything extra like batteries. Our governor is suppose to be a champion of climate change but he will keep gas prices high here even though we have refineries and will push us towards something that is not long term a good idea like former governor Dixie Lee Ray did who cost us billions. Just done with the political games, lobbyists and corporate greed on all this.
Just trying to find a decent suv that really bothers to make them safe and proves it to consumers with having them tested and really vetted. I am no engineer and don't know what the best questions to ask on all this and I shouldn't be put in the position to have to figure out what they are omitting when I am not an auto expert. They should be rated better with clear information about all models and add ons like moon roofs that could really impact the tests. It should be easily found and the auto makers should provide links to the third party objective testing company to show good faith.
I know with supply chain issues that auto makers feel their are in the drivers seat and for consumers to just shut up and put up with really shoddy service and offerings from them. But things will eventually even out and consumers will remember who treated them fairly and who did not if they are still in business. The Japanese already know how well the long game works in the U.S. and I am hoping they stick with that same mindset since it will pay off with consumers here like it has in the past. Plus it would be smart now since a precedent has been set with this huge jury award to make sure crash safety is put on the front burner since I bet that case will open the door for countless other families to sue Ford and other truck auto makers for deliberately bad roof designs and knew better. It may be the final nail in the Ford coffin from the looks of it.
There is no mention of if the Ascent had a moon roof or not here:
We have an older F150 and now we find out from that lawsuit this week where a family was awarded 1.7 billion because their F250 did not hold up at all from a roll over due to a blown out tire. Both grandparents were crushed because their roof was almost as safe as a convertible it was reported. I saw the pictures and it was pretty awful how the roof was flattened so easily. We live in area where there are very deep ditches due to the high rains we have seasonally along fast roads and no shoulders and well we see folks periodically in these ditches and roll overs are very possible. Plus anyone could have a blown out tire or someone could hit you and push you off the road and cause a roll over. I witnessed a car infront of me get hit so hard it flipped onto it's top quickly. No sway bar is going to stop that!
I am done with trucks since wink wink car makers all have been ignoring this issue with trucks from what I have been able to find online. I mean if these vehicle makers know to test their cars it is reasonable to assume they should be applying those good safety measures with their trucks too. Also with the new EVs I wonder if it is a two sided sword since those batteries are reported to be extremely heavy and yes it might prevent some roll overs but when they do happen, will those roofs be able to handle all that weight when they do roll over? Conveniently we don't hear a thing about that or I haven't been able to easily find it so far.
After looking online, I am a newbie at this, I find the NHTSA to be very lacking and it does make me wonder if this agency is also politically managed like we have seen with the FDA, CDC and NIH that last two years and beyond. Not really to be trusted. They don't even rank the cars and it is deliberately tedious and you can't compare at all. Not useful much at all and I believe because U.S. auto makers tend to not be that great at safer designs from what I can tell they may be making sure that site is not too helpful.
I thought the Europeans NCAP might be better but even worse if that is possible. Yeah if you want to know about Mercedes cars it is great but those are not affordable to many here.
Ironically I found the Insurance Institute crash testing with videos very helpful but still they don't explain if the test vehicles had moon roofs or not nor do they address the issue in general. I talked to a gal there and she is going to email me back but not holding my breath with the way things are today. Car makers lump these extras together with the add on packages so if you want better sound system etc then you get a moon roof etc. from the looks of it. Addressing these add ons which are popular needs to be added to these tests. I mean what if the moon roof not only affects the roll over tests with roofs but what about the side tests or front tests? I only hear crickets right now online. Subaru could do better on this.
We will be buying a new vehicle in the next year or so and starting the process of vetting out the cars. I wish this Acsent came in a hybrid since that would help the gas mileage on these. I am not really wanting an EV anytime soon since I think the issues have yet to really be vetted like how much kilowatts cost in different parts of the nation and will the demand increase the cost of kws for all electrical uses and push states to build nuclear plants again? With states drying up, dams will be less helpful, grids that lose so much electricity in transmission and power companies having to shut down to prevent fires from their electrical lines in California the old way of thinking of going electric has some big hurdles to scale.
However, in Everett WA next to Boeing a new type of energy plant is being built with magnets and only big tech investors have been able to buy in (I tried) it could be a first step to a real alternative. It is called Helion. Maybe they can make a power unit small enough to fit in homes and cars???? But it will take a long time to see that work out. My cost per kws in public owned power company is about 8 cents per kw mostly using hydro power. I would love to see the kw price when they do their EV savings pitch. When I ask writer to give the whole equation they don't respond. I do think when you get into the weeds of EV it is not the answer either but one they are running with all the same.
Many years back some who worked for big power companies who bought and sold energy between west coast states mentioned how close were were to brown outs and that was over two decades ago in a state with hydro power. It is not so simple to just go EV and all. Our electrical costs will soar as the demand soars and we don't pay the highest rates due to hydro either and can't imagine what others are doing without cheaper hydro power. The cart before the horse is being done on this and they are going to have to prove their strategies on all this. I am tired of buying into half truths.
Here in the state of Washington we built the nuclear plants only to moth ball them and tear them down and that cost taxpayers in this state billions decades ago! Plus we are still arguing with the feds about cleaning up Hanford since WWII and those leaky toxic nuclear waste tanks underground are making their way to the Columbia River and some say they have already. The cost for Hanford clean up recently was quoted around 600 billion for all taxpayers to pay for it and it will take till 2078 to complete. I will be long gone by then so will most of us. I doubt they will do it since it has already been 80 years so far and not much has been done so far that means anything to those who rely on the Columbia river or the pacific coast it runs into.
I would be interested in easily converting my gas vehicle to hydrogen over nuclear energy from what I have read. Iceland has done this with their gas vehicles and they don't have to import anything and no mining of anything extra like batteries. Our governor is suppose to be a champion of climate change but he will keep gas prices high here even though we have refineries and will push us towards something that is not long term a good idea like former governor Dixie Lee Ray did who cost us billions. Just done with the political games, lobbyists and corporate greed on all this.
Just trying to find a decent suv that really bothers to make them safe and proves it to consumers with having them tested and really vetted. I am no engineer and don't know what the best questions to ask on all this and I shouldn't be put in the position to have to figure out what they are omitting when I am not an auto expert. They should be rated better with clear information about all models and add ons like moon roofs that could really impact the tests. It should be easily found and the auto makers should provide links to the third party objective testing company to show good faith.
I know with supply chain issues that auto makers feel their are in the drivers seat and for consumers to just shut up and put up with really shoddy service and offerings from them. But things will eventually even out and consumers will remember who treated them fairly and who did not if they are still in business. The Japanese already know how well the long game works in the U.S. and I am hoping they stick with that same mindset since it will pay off with consumers here like it has in the past. Plus it would be smart now since a precedent has been set with this huge jury award to make sure crash safety is put on the front burner since I bet that case will open the door for countless other families to sue Ford and other truck auto makers for deliberately bad roof designs and knew better. It may be the final nail in the Ford coffin from the looks of it.
