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I did a search but came up with nothing. I'm looking for the official Ascent Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR). Subaru.com page only has curb weight. Caranddriver.com lists the Ascent at 6001 lbs but i'm not sure how accurate this info is. I would appreciate any info on this. Thanks
 

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I just looked on the metal plated sticker in the driver door and it says exactly 6,000.
I've got pics of different trim levels and all of them say exactly 6,000 pounds. The actual weights vary depending on trim though.
 

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Has anyone seen the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating for the Ascent? I've seen the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is 6,001 lbs and the tow capacity can be as high as 5,000 lbs. This doesn't mean the combined number is 11,001 lbs. My current vehicle has a 6,005 lb vehicle weight rating, tow capacity is 3,600 lbs and the combined rating is 8,600 lbs. I only found that combined number in the owner's manual. I'd really like to know the combined weight rating for the Ascent before I decide to buy one, I need the tow capacity but the combing number is the important one for me.
 

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Has anyone seen the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating for the Ascent?


I've been told that it should be 11,000 pounds by an SoA Product Manager at NYIAS. Time will tell. I'm curious too.

On the plus side, they were correct about the hitch and trailer harness connectors, and a few other things, so, hoping they're accurate on this one too.
 

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2018 Pathfinder Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating is 11,000 lbs, tow capacity is 6,000 lbs. The curb weight and gross vehicle weight of the Pathfinder itself are comparable to what we're hearing about the Ascent.
 

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Between the two numbers, GCVWR and GVWR, the latter is the important number. W/in that GVWR, the max total load/haul capacity is 1500lbs (6000lbs minus 4500lbs). The important thing is the tongue load, which is about 500lbs max (quick calc), assuming 1st row is loaded w/ two adults.

If you haul 1500lbs, then your tongue load capacity is zero-lbs; no towing.
 

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Between the two numbers, GCVWR and GVWR, the latter is the important number. W/in that GVWR, the max total load/haul capacity is 1500lbs (6000lbs minus 4500lbs). The important thing is the tongue load, which is about 500lbs max (quick calc), assuming 1st row is loaded w/ two adults.

If you haul 1500lbs, then your tongue load capacity is zero-lbs; no towing.
I think the best comparison might be the VW Atlas. Here are the specs for the Atlas SEL Premium w/ 4Motion directly from the VW website:
Curb Weight: 4502
GVWR: 5997
Payload: 1213


I think the Subaru Ascent Touring weights 4600 (I remember seeing this somewhere) so it might be a less Payload capacity if the GVWR is 6000 by around 100 or Payload of 1113.


Now compare that to the Toyota Sienna yes a different class but gives you an idea.
Curb Weight: 4750
GVWR: 5995
Payload: 1380


Now that is a little cobbled together so the Payload is probably high as it was a FWD model.
 

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Between the two numbers, GCVWR and GVWR, the latter is the important number. W/in that GVWR, the max total load/haul capacity is 1500lbs (6000lbs minus 4500lbs). The important thing is the tongue load, which is about 500lbs max (quick calc), assuming 1st row is loaded w/ two adults.

If you haul 1500lbs, then your tongue load capacity is zero-lbs; no towing.

That's not how it's calculated, and the gross axle weights on all trim levels is greater than 6,000 pounds, regardless - check out the door plate pics in the forum. Tongue weight is behind the axles on the rear sub frame and is a separate weight. Cargo weight (to the vehicle's 6,000 pound GVWR) will not affect towing weight. Combined weight should be 11,000 pounds, as noted elsewhere (as well as noted for other similar vehicles).

On the Ascent (and all other Class IIIs and Class IIs), it is 10% of the towing weight (500 pounds for all but base trim, 200 pounds for base trim's 2,000 pound towing).
 

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I was coming from a glass half-full approach.

You and I are saying the same thing, but I failed to mention that if you max your tongue load (~500lbs) with only two adults in 1st row, be careful how you distribute the remaining payload. When you max out the tongue load, it's very very easy to overload the rear axle.

Even w/o the tongue load, you don't even have to max out the payload to over load the rear suspension. i.e. if you load ten 94-lbs quickretes (w/ driver, no pass.) in the cargo area, I'm willing to wager that you'll be dragging your muffler from HD to home. Painfully obvious, you would do it that way --- just to get the point across.
 

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You and I are saying the same thing, but I failed to mention that if you max your tongue load (~500lbs) with only two adults in 1st row
No, what I am saying is that as long as the vehicle is sensibly loaded to up to or including a total of 6,000 pounds (GVWR), the tongue weight is 500 pounds. The tongue weight is not a factor of cargo weight, nor is the towing weight a factor of cargo weight. That is not always the case, but, I've been told by two product specialists and their manager that, in the case of the Ascent, the towing weight is separate from/regardless of the cargo weight.

The tongue weight is always capped at 500 pounds on the Ascent Premium through Touring.
 

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No, what I am saying is that as long as the vehicle is sensibly loaded to up to or including a total of 6,000 pounds (GVWR), the tongue weight is 500 pounds. The tongue weight is not a factor of cargo weight, nor is the towing weight a factor of cargo weight. That is not always the case, but, I've been told by two product specialists and their manager that, in the case of the Ascent, the towing weight is separate from/regardless of the cargo weight.

The tongue weight is always capped at 500 pounds on the Ascent Premium through Touring.
Tongue weight IS ABSOLUTELY a factor of cargo or payload weight. If, for example, payload weight is 1200 lbs., and the tongue weight of a 5000 lb trailer is 500 lbs (10%), then 500 lbs must be subtracted from the payload weight. Your payload is now 700 lbs. Generally tongue weight should be roughly 10 to 15 percent of the loaded trailer’s total weight – no more, no less. You want more payload, then tow a lighter trailer and reduce the tongue weight. You want max payload, then leave the trailer home.
 

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You didn't read a thing before you went off on your long response.

Tongue weight is 10% TOWING weight on the Ascent.

We are specifically using CARGO weight to delineate INTERIOR cargo weight, and not TOWING weight.

I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

No, what I am saying is that as long as the vehicle is sensibly loaded to up to or including a total of 6,000 pounds (GVWR), the tongue weight is 500 pounds. The tongue weight is not a factor of cargo weight, nor is the towing weight a factor of cargo weight. That is not always the case, but, I've been told by two product specialists and their manager that, in the case of the Ascent, the towing weight is separate from/regardless of the cargo weight.

The tongue weight is always capped at 500 pounds on the Ascent Premium through Touring.
Tongue weight IS ABSOLUTELY a factor of cargo or payload weight. If, for example, payload weight is 1200 lbs., and the tongue weight of a 5000 lb trailer is 500 lbs (10%), then 500 lbs must be subtracted from the payload weight. Your payload is now 700 lbs. Generally tongue weight should be roughly 10 to 15 percent of the loaded trailer’s total weight – no more, no less. You want more payload, then tow a lighter trailer and reduce the tongue weight. You want max payload, then leave the trailer home.
 

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Tongue weight IS ABSOLUTELY a factor of cargo or payload weight. If, for example, payload weight is 1200 lbs., and the tongue weight of a 5000 lb trailer is 500 lbs (10%), then 500 lbs must be subtracted from the payload weight. Your payload is now 700 lbs. Generally tongue weight should be roughly 10 to 15 percent of the loaded trailer’s total weight – no more, no less. You want more payload, then tow a lighter trailer and reduce the tongue weight. You want max payload, then leave the trailer home.

Let me try to explain this differently. You're mixing up different things, I think. I've been told that the Ascent has a GCWR (gross combined weight rating) of 11,000 pounds. That's towing and vehicle and cargo in vehicle. That's 5,000 pounds towing, plus a total of 6,000 pounds of vehicle and in vehicle.

BTW, I suspect that tongue weight is factored into *gross axle weight* and not GVWR. You'll find that if you add up the gross axle weights, you're over 6,000 pounds, btw.

Now, how do I know that tongue weight remains the same? I don't for sure. But, I am currently crossing my fingers and going by what two Subaru Product Specialists and one Subaru Product Manager assured me, which is that with the Ascent "fully loaded" (6,000 pound total vehicle and in vehicle cargo & passengers) can *still* tow 5,000 pounds. By law (federal regulations), the tongue weight must be 10% (or more) of the towing weight for a Class III hitch and vehicle combo. That means that if Subaru is insisting it will tow 5,000 pounds, then the tongue weight must be 500 pounds. They are claiming it will still tow 5,000 pounds while fully loaded, and by doing so, are implying (because it's the law) it will still have a tongue weight of 500 pounds.


  • The 2018 Pathfinder is similar. GCWR is GVWR plus tow (5,000 pounds) for a total of 11,000 pounds
  • Another vehicle mentioned earlier has a GCWR of 8,600 pounds, which means interior cargo definitely does reduce its tow weight, and, when tow weight is reduced, so is tongue weight.
I think the confusion comes in where there are other vehicles where the *tow* weight is a factor of how much cargo/people are in the vehicle. You will notice that the GCWR for such vehicles is not the tow weight plus the GVWR. In that case, you'd be almost correct. To be 100% technical, the tongue weight is NOT being reduced by the inside cargo weight. The law doesn't allow it to be measured that way. The *tow* weight is being reduced by the inside cargo weight, and the tongue weight, being a factor of tow weight, is being reduced accordingly (10% tow weight). Tongue weight calculation is very simple. It uses tow weight.

IF you're horrendously bored, you can start with CFR, Title 49, Subtitle B, Chapter III, Subchapter B, Part 393, Subpart F, §393.70 and read through it all, and follow it to the other parts of the regulations.


ALL OF THAT SAID:
Keep in mind that none of us has yet to see the official GCWR. It's not on any of the door plates I've photographed, nor any that others have, and I have not yet been able to get a hold of the vehicle manual (it was not yet available as of the last time I checked). It is entirely possible that the GCWR is not 11,000 pounds.

The Subaru team might have been wrong - but they were correct on everything else they told me, including there being both 4 pin and 7 pin trailer harness connectors (everyone else, including numerous dealerships were saying only a 4 pin). So far, they're batting 1,000. Hoping they got this one right as well.

So, who knows? If the GCWR is 9,000 pounds, that changes things considerably. If it's what the Subaru Brand Specialists say, we're all set, and the tow weight is 5,000 and the tongue weight is 500 - and inside cargo/passengers won't change that.
 

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No, what I am saying is that as long as the vehicle is sensibly loaded to up to or including a total of 6,000 pounds (GVWR), the tongue weight is 500 pounds. The tongue weight is not a factor of cargo weight, nor is the towing weight a factor of cargo weight. That is not always the case, but, I've been told by two product specialists and their manager that, in the case of the Ascent, the towing weight is separate from/regardless of the cargo weight.

The tongue weight is always capped at 500 pounds on the Ascent Premium through Touring.
I think I have to be contentious now and start asking you absurd questions. :smile::grin:

w/in the cabin, if you have a single concentrated load of ~1500lbs (max payload, including driver), where can't you load it?
 

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I think I have to be contentious now and start asking you absurd questions. :smile::grin:

w/in the cabin, if you have a single concentrated load of ~1500lbs (max payload, including driver), where can't you load it?
I'll be honest with you I'm sure the weight ratings are similar to the Atlas and Pilot. I can't imagine that Subaru didn't think about how people might compare them.


Also if someone is worried about maxing out the weight rating of the vehicle they probably should just be looking at larger vehicles such as Expeditions and Tahoes.


Saying that I'm sure these vehicles will be able to handle being overloaded for short periods of time. I know I have in my Xterra and I know plenty that have in Minivans and other vehicles without issue. The big problem is on long trips.
 
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