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EV sales have not even made a dent in the market. The top chart indicates a large percentage increase in EV sales since 2010. Note though that the total US sales is still just under 50,000/month compared to over 17 million / month for internal combustion engines. When small numbers are involved it is easy to see large percentage increases. The important numbers to look at are number of units sold. In addition the increased EV sales are due to sale price subsidies provided through tax dollars. When the subsidies were reduced, the EV sales dropped accordingly.


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12019 U.S. EV SALESJANFEBMARAPRMAYJUNJULAUGSEPOCTNOVDECTOTAL
2Tesla Model 3* 馃攱6,5005,75010,17510,05013,95021,22512,55012,350 19,100 111,650 Tesla Model 3* 馃攱
3Toyota Prius Prime*1,1231,2051,8201,3991,9141,1442,9502,500 1,650 15,705 Toyota Prius Prime*
4Tesla Model X* 馃攱7759002,1751,0501,3752,7251,2251,825 1,675 13,725 Tesla Model X* 馃攱
5Chevrolet Bolt EV* 馃攱9251,2252,1669101,3961,6599851,720 2,125 13,111 Chevrolet Bolt EV* 馃攱
6Tesla Model S* 馃攱7256252,2758251,0251,7509751,050 1,100 10,350 Tesla Model S* 馃攱
7Nissan LEAF 馃攱7176541,3149511,2161,1569381,117 1,048 9,111 Nissan LEAF 馃攱
8Honda Clarity PHEV*1,1921,2131,3119818161,030800840 400 8,583 Honda Clarity PHEV*
9BMW 530e*376414436416727908444606 310 4,637 BMW 530e*
10Chevrolet Volt*6756151,230405408333250274 350 4,540 Chevrolet Volt*
11Ford Fusion Energi*557573611585605675720620 700 5,646 Ford Fusion Energi*
12Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid*436589383347390391385395 415 3,731 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid*
13Volkswagen e-Golf 馃攱164118581400264366460689 554 3,596 Volkswagen e-Golf 馃攱
14Audi e-tron 馃攱253856726678593 434 3,540 Audi e-tron 馃攱
15BMW i3 (BEV 馃攱 + REx)255350359331439473304385 467 3,363 BMW i3 (BEV 馃攱 + REx)
16Kia Niro PHEV*279505230245329351325300 375 2,939 Kia Niro PHEV*
17Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV133157341163232222213277 176 1,914 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
18Jaguar I-Pace 馃攱210186212237228236213160 160 1,842 Jaguar I-Pace 馃攱
19Mercedes GLC 350e*7472175220264270265230 180 1,750 Mercedes GLC 350e*
20Mercedes C350e*140145135173215235230190 130 1,593 Mercedes C350e*
21Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid*150160195155170195165165 175 1,530 Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid*
22Mercedes GLE 550e*9295110150185180170105 65 1,152 Mercedes GLE 550e*
23BMW i82347918714528010190 68 932 BMW i8
24Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV*95105155100120170110125 175 1,155 Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV*
25Volvo XC60 PHEV*901001258595175140105 180 1,095 Volvo XC60 PHEV*
26BMW 330e*216185175532725165 2 704 BMW 330e*
27smart ED 馃攱83589085106745674 54 680 smart ED 馃攱
28Porsche Cayenne S-E*6595115701057595100 105 825 Porsche Cayenne S-E*
29Honda Clarity BEV* 馃攱7868928882524765 35 607 Honda Clarity BEV* 馃攱
30Hyundai IONIQ PHEV*7354946363152105125 135 864 Hyundai IONIQ PHEV
31Hyundai Kona Electric* 馃攱0161277791116150130 190 897 Hyundai Kona Electric* 馃攱
32Mini Countryman SE PHEV*5063453785444050 30 444 Mini Countryman SE PHEV*
33Audi A3 Sportback e-tron*1752104570000 0 437 Audi A3 Sportback e-tron*
34Fiat 500e* 馃攱7287332060254045 40 422 Fiat 500e* 馃攱
35Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid*275247657011590 120 586 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid*
36Volvo S90 T8 PHEV*3545553550404555 60 420 Volvo S90 T8 PHEV*
37Kia Niro EV* 馃攱40119498055 90 433 Kia Niro EV* 馃攱
38Hyundai IONIQ EV* 馃攱343228961625540 70 391 Hyundai IONIQ EV* 馃攱
39Mercedes S550e*810223551605024 16 276 Mercedes S550e*
40Hyundai Sonata PHEV*47174640303540 45 318 Hyundai Sonata PHEV*
41BMWX5 xDrive 40e*71382694842 1 163 BMWX5 xDrive 40e*
42Kia Optima PHEV3011850513535 50 225 Kia Optima PHEV
43BMW 740e*61415812628 5 76 BMW 740e*
44Cadillac CT6 PHEV*81320222 3 23 Cadillac CT6 PHEV*
45Mercedes B250e*12010211 0 8 Mercedes B250e*
46Kia Soul EV* 馃攱01201018 65 78 Kia Soul EV* 馃攱
472019 U.S. Sales Totals*16,71516,89127,63921,25528,386 37,818 26,570 27,665 33,128 236,067 2019 U.S. Sales Totals*
482018 U.S. Sales Totals*12,00916,84526,44319,62324,30725,02929,59836,34744,54434,07442,58849,900361,307 2018 U.S. Sales Totals*
492019 Worldwide Sales*159,468111,541224,335166,200179,270264,591148,144157,6961,411,245 2019 Worldwide Sales*
502018 Worldwide Sales*82,00081,000141,000128,450159,346160,894144,975175,362206,500214,800237,553286,3672,018,247 2018 Worldwide Sales*




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EV's have to start somewhere if they ever expect to make a dent. Once charging infrastructure catches up and hopefully battery technology improves I feel like EV's could start to take a bite out of ICE sales. Range anxeity and price is holding me back. The jump in Model 3 sales is fairly impressive, especially considering the slowdown in sedan sales in general.
 

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EV's have to start somewhere if they ever expect to make a dent
Exactly. It's an "infant" branch of the vehicle industry, but it seeing increased activity and new entrants to the marketplace. I suspect that the North American marketplace will continue to lag for a bit because its not like some other geographies where there is strong governmental pressure to more fully embrace EVs, That said, pretty much every major manufacturer has their hands into EV and hybrid projects. Increases in battery efficiency and reduced battery cost from efficiencies of growing scale will help and continued development of charging networks will help solve the driving range challenge that folks face when they are "not local".
 

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I've always been attracted to electric power vs IC and have converted all of my power hand tools and yard tools to electric except for the snow blower and lawn tractor. I started building electric RC airplanes with brushed electric motors and clunky NICad battery packs a long time before electric became the norm. For the past 15 years, one of our vehicles has always been a hybrid and we could definitely go full electric for our second vehicle, but I will probably always have a long haul AWD IC cargo carrier like our Accent until I'm to old to be able to use it and retire to the sunny Southwest.

It's good to see the electrics trending upward, there are a lot of Tesla's in mid Michigan now, they used to be a rare sight.
 

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Exactly. It's an "infant" branch of the vehicle industry, but it seeing increased activity and new entrants to the marketplace. I suspect that the North American marketplace will continue to lag for a bit because its not like some other geographies where there is strong governmental pressure to more fully embrace EVs, That said, pretty much every major manufacturer has their hands into EV and hybrid projects. Increases in battery efficiency and reduced battery cost from efficiencies of growing scale will help and continued development of charging networks will help solve the driving range challenge that folks face when they are "not local".
I do not mind EV vehicles development. Why would I? I appreciate options. What I do not appreciate is a forced market and using my tax dollars to do so.
 

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What I do not appreciate is a forced market and using my tax dollars to do so.
Sometimes the greater good requires some stimulus to get something worthy to the tipping point...and of all the things that our tax dollars get totally wasted on (which is not likely to change in our lifetimes), EV market stimulus is really near the bottom of the list to complain about, at least for me!
 

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Sometimes the greater good requires some stimulus to get something worthy to the tipping point...and of all the things that our tax dollars get totally wasted on (which is not likely to change in our lifetimes), EV market stimulus is really near the bottom of the list to complain about, at least for me!
We disagree on our government"s role. That role you refer to is not in the constitution.
 

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I wonder if the ICE was subsidized over 100 years ago....


EV's have to start somewhere if they ever expect to make a dent. Once charging infrastructure catches up and hopefully battery technology improves I feel like EV's could start to take a bite out of ICE sales. Range anxeity and price is holding me back. The jump in Model 3 sales is fairly impressive, especially considering the slowdown in sedan sales in general.
Yup!

The Model Y will sell like crazy even without the federal rebates. We have a dual motor Y reserved, but just found out there will be a PHEV RAV4 coming, and with over $10k in rebates (Toyota/Gov/Utility) it will likely come in at half the cost of a Y. No range anxiety, carpool access and Toyota reliability.

Will definitely miss that dual motor acceleration and autopilot though!
 

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We disagree on our government"s role.
And that's kewel...it's a benefit that we enjoy for being citizens where we live. :)
 

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If the Ascent was offered with an EV powertrain with similar range to the ICE drivetrain I would have purchased the EV even if it was considerably more expensive. Once there are more options out there from manufacturers I think we'll see people switching at much higher rates. You'd be silly to stick to the more complex working of an ICE vehicle if/when the EV vehicles are available.
 

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...but just found out there will be a PHEV RAV4 coming...
I feel like whoever is coming up with these acronyms needs to be a little more creative or nobody will have any idea what they're looking at. PHEV, PZEV... the only difference in the acronym is the H/Z, yet the only letter with the same meaning is the V. Insert eyeroll emoji with extra emphasis here.
 

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If the Ascent was offered with an EV powertrain with similar range to the ICE drivetrain I would have purchased the EV even if it was considerably more expensive. Once there are more options out there from manufacturers I think we'll see people switching at much higher rates. You'd be silly to stick to the more complex working of an ICE vehicle if/when the EV vehicles are available.
As much as I'd like to go full EV, in my current situation I need both the range and the same load carrying capacity that I have now. I could probably get by with 300 miles of range with a full load, at least 200-300 pounds of cargo plus people and dogs, over mountains. With the current battery technology, I think there would have to be a trade off - increased range for less cargo capacity, unless the GVW was increased which would bring a host of other changes with it.
 

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As much as I'd like to go full EV, in my current situation I need both the range and the same load carrying capacity that I have now. I could probably get by with 300 miles of range with a full load, at least 200-300 pounds of cargo plus people and dogs, over mountains. With the current battery technology, I think there would have to be a trade off - increased range for less cargo capacity, unless the GVW was increased which would bring a host of other changes with it.
Model X can now tow 5,000 pounds.

It's very doable, but it's not without its challenges and increased costs.

I fully expect Subaru to have an all electric offering in the future, but I also would bet it won't be until the price point fits their target market.
 

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My fiance's car is a Tesla Model 3. We got the base base base model. In fact we had the "+" from the SR+ model removed. Car "only" cost $36,000 after fed rebate of $1850. Now we spend about $8/month charging it (though soon a good portion of that will be done on solar) vs about $50/month in her Prius.

I did figure up that if I drove the model 3 instead of my Ascent, I'd have saved $17k in gas over 10 years.

Still waiting to see the towing stats on the Model Y. For me it could be an option. The X is too expensive.

Road trips are a bit harder but even driving to Vegas in our short range wasn't bad. Just stopped to charge for 30 mins while we ate lunch :D

The Tesla supercharging network is growing fast. Plus we can use other electric car chargers too, they're just a lot slower.
 

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Model X can now tow 5,000 pounds.

It's very doable, but it's not without its challenges and increased costs.
I may have read the same article about the Model X towing. Didn't it say the range took a huge hit? Of course it takes a big hit with our ICE as well, but its a lot easier to find a gas station than a charging station. That may be one of the biggest challenges for the forseeable future.
 

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I may have read the same article about the Model X towing. Didn't it say the range took a huge hit? Of course it takes a big hit with our ICE as well, but its a lot easier to find a gas station than a charging station. That may be one of the biggest challenges for the forseeable future.
Yep, though, I am now seeing supercharger stations going up at nearly every rest stop around here (eg: Connecticut) and at many truck stops heading out west. So, I suspect that the infrastructure should be really solid by the time Subaru rolls out their first EV.
 

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Towing with an electric would be a challenge for range. Though on the major highways we do have a charging station every hundred miles or so already, at least out west here. But going the back roads would be harder.

I could see getting about 150 miles out of a full 300 mile charge while towing.

Of course with a campsite with electric hookup you can recharge before your trip home for free :D
 

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Yep, though, I am now seeing supercharger stations going up at nearly every rest stop around here (eg: Connecticut) and at many truck stops heading out west. So, I suspect that the infrastructure should be really solid by the time Subaru rolls out their first EV.
It still takes too long to charge compared to a standard ICE engine.
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Charging at a supercharger isn't too bad. No, it's not a 10 min stop like an ICE, but we ate lunch while we charged for 30 mins. Or we sat in the car and played the games on the center console :D
 

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It still takes too long to charge compared to a standard ICE engine.
ev charging rates
Yep, the battery swap method seemed more promising.

But really, it should take less time to charge than to fill our tanks. That will come soon. Better and more suitable suoercapacitors are in the works, which can be near instantaneously charged for use or battery charging.
 
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