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Hey all, I ran into this entirely by accident looking for something else. It seems the 21 Series (and smaller) may be decently suited for the Ascent. The 23 Series is, in my opinion, too large, and a bit too heavy.


The 19 Series and 21 Series are tandem axle with lower tongue weights than comparably sized trailers from others, which should make managing them easier. The 17 Series is VERY light, so, even with a single axle, the tongue weight starts very low.

GVWR on all of them is 5,000 pounds, but that's with a LOT of cargo weight (eg: 1,360 pounds on the 17B series)

Of course, the shape isn't the most conducive to towing, or to fuel efficient towing, but, they're also not massively tall (the Heartland Edge I tow is a foot and a half taller). Heck, the fiberglass (roof) ends at 8.1'. Not bad at all.

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I was actually going to find somewhere to look at that tiny 5th wheel figuring it would be an easy tow for an f150 or even a compact pickup. My wife voted no because of the wet bath. I love the full fiberglass and dual axles. With the bathrooms located forward I'd want to verify that the tanks aren't up front making those low hitch weights a big variable.
 

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I left them a comment asking if there's any on Long Island I could check out. The Heartland Edge has the bath on the rear driver's side corner, sink in the middle opposite side, drains rear of the axles, and tanks in the middle - so, lots of plumbing going everywhere, lol!

If there's one I can check out locally (or on one of my trips), I will report back.
 

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I wonder if they'd let you poke around underneath to see where the tanks are?
 

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2 big concerns are warranty coverage since there are no authorized dealers and no used trailers to go check/buy. Thre entire notion of a trailer is to bring our 2 dogs and so my wife has access to a bathroom and a bed en route. She's a chemo patient and traveling is really challenging. But, a trailer would be a total experiment and would rather buy used. A fully self contained might work better for us but then we'd probably trade-in the Ascent for something that can be flat towed.
 

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I've been looking for an excuse.
 

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I just did a nationwide search on rv trader and there isn't a single one of these fiberglass trailers listed. Escape Trailer Industries appears to make conventionally constructed trailers too.

Despite my personal lifetime boycott of Facebook, I just requested to join their user discussion group which is on Facebook.
 

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As a previous owner of a Scamp camper (also a fiberglass camper) these are built and sold direct from the factory like Scamp and Casita. Typical wait time is around 12-16 months as was our Scamp. These are built using two solid fiberglass shells joined together. Quite a bit different from the normal construction methods. As you probably have read there is quite a following for these and those who own them love them. Prior to purchasing our InTech Horizon we checked out a 21' Escape. Only reason we passed on placing an order and waiting was not wanting to miss a year or more of camping with our son. If you have the patience you will not regret owning one.
 

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The escape trailers are really nice, but I guess I am misunderstanding the GVWR of them which show to be 4000 to 5000 lbs. Isn't that too much weight for the Ascent (Touring, Limited, and Premium)? By the way, I read the post about trailer weights and egads, I am confused as ever now!
 

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@Road Runner Puller with the OEM hitch, the Ascent is rated for 5,000 pounds, and it's a real rating.

In this pic, this was a little over 4,300 pounds. Towed great. I expect that'll be a similar weight to the Escapes when they're loaded.

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Also, it's pretty easy to be considerably below 5,000 in one of the Escapes due to the large available cargo weight. All of the 17-21 series have low tongue weights, which will make keeping tongue weight under 500 pounds a lot easier. And finally, two of them are tandem axles, which are more stable to tow.

What about the trailer weights post confuses you? I would be happy to try to clarify. Let me use some of the acronyms as an example in this.

The GVWR of the heaviest Escape in the 17-21 Series is 5,000 pounds, meaning, it should never weigh more than that (safety and legality). But, its GTW/GVW will be less.

Let's use the 21 Series.

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Out the door and ready to use, it weighs 3,539 pounds (Dry Weight, plus propane). If you fill ALL tanks with water, that's about 635 pounds more... but people don't usually do that. They usually start out with one full tank, then have as much as 1.5-2 tanks full due to waste material. So, add about 400 pounds. The trailer will generally weigh 3,939 pounds before clothing, camping supplies, food, etc. Lets say you add another 300 pounds there. That puts you at 4,239 pounds.

And now you're ready to hit the road. Your trailer's GTW/GVW is 4,239 pounds, which is well within the Ascent's limits of 5,000 pounds. It's also within the "85% rule of thumb" a lot of people stick to (which would be 4,250 pounds). It's also the same or less than the weight I generally tow at.


So, in that example, you've got the Dry Weight (as shown on the specs table), the hitch weight, and we've calculated the Gross Trailer/Vehicle weight to make sure it's under the weight limit (GVWR) of the trailer. We'd usually also want to make sure we're at or under the tow rating of the car, but, we already know that the GVWR of the trailer is the same as the car's tow rating. So, by making sure the trailer isn't overloaded, we automatically make sure it's under the tow rating of the car.
 

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As a previous owner of a Scamp camper (also a fiberglass camper) these are built and sold direct from the factory like Scamp and Casita. Typical wait time is around 12-16 months as was our Scamp. These are built using two solid fiberglass shells joined together. Quite a bit different from the normal construction methods. As you probably have read there is quite a following for these and those who own them love them. Prior to purchasing our InTech Horizon we checked out a 21' Escape. Only reason we passed on placing an order and waiting was not wanting to miss a year or more of camping with our son. If you have the patience you will not regret owning one.
What was your experience with the Scamp as far as warranty? I'm assuming that the built-ins have manufacturer warranties but what about the trailer components? Shell, frame, windows, cabinetry, plumbing, etc?
 

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We owned our from November of 2017 until December of 2020 and never had an issue with anything on the camper. You get the normal warranties from Dometic for appliances, A/C etc. Dexter warranty on the axle and any other subsystem with the camper. As far as things covered by Scamp I would have never made the drive back to northern MN from SC had there been an issue. If I recall from reading the Scamp forum they did allow you to use a standard RV dealership for repairs and they (Scamp) would pay the bill if it fell under the warranty rules and time frame.
The beauty of a solid fiberglass trailer is you dont have the same type of build issues etc that you find with stick built models.
 

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@Road Runner Puller with the OEM hitch, the Ascent is rated for 5,000 pounds, and it's a real rating.

In this pic, this was a little over 4,300 pounds. Towed great. I expect that'll be a similar weight to the Escapes when they're loaded.

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Also, it's pretty easy to be considerably below 5,000 in one of the Escapes due to the large available cargo weight. All of the 17-21 series have low tongue weights, which will make keeping tongue weight under 500 pounds a lot easier. And finally, two of them are tandem axles, which are more stable to tow.

What about the trailer weights post confuses you? I would be happy to try to clarify. Let me use some of the acronyms as an example in this.

The GVWR of the heaviest Escape in the 17-21 Series is 5,000 pounds, meaning, it should never weigh more than that (safety and legality). But, its GTW/GVW will be less.

Let's use the 21 Series.

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Out the door and ready to use, it weighs 3,539 pounds (Dry Weight, plus propane). If you fill ALL tanks with water, that's about 635 pounds more... but people don't usually do that. They usually start out with one full tank, then have as much as 1.5-2 tanks full due to waste material. So, add about 400 pounds. The trailer will generally weigh 3,939 pounds before clothing, camping supplies, food, etc. Lets say you add another 300 pounds there. That puts you at 4,239 pounds.

And now you're ready to hit the road. Your trailer's GTW/GVW is 4,239 pounds, which is well within the Ascent's limits of 5,000 pounds. It's also within the "85% rule of thumb" a lot of people stick to (which would be 4,250 pounds). It's also the same or less than the weight I generally tow at.


So, in that example, you've got the Dry Weight (as shown on the specs table), the hitch weight, and we've calculated the Gross Trailer/Vehicle weight to make sure it's under the weight limit (GVWR) of the trailer. We'd usually also want to make sure we're at or under the tow rating of the car, but, we already know that the GVWR of the trailer is the same as the car's tow rating. So, by making sure the trailer isn't overloaded, we automatically make sure it's under the tow rating of the car.
Oh my gosh! Thanks for this great explanation! I "think" I finally get it! I will save this and read over and over. Now then, I gotta shop for a new trailer! LOL!
 

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I just did a nationwide search on rv trader and there isn't a single one of these fiberglass trailers listed. Escape Trailer Industries appears to make conventionally constructed trailers too.

Despite my personal lifetime boycott of Facebook, I just requested to join their user discussion group which is on Facebook.
I can bet that the Escape Trailers are wait-listed just like the Scamp trailers are. I contacted Scamp because I was interested in them, but they told me that they are backordered until Nov of 2022!!! I'm sure that the Escape are the same way. But, my bet is that we'll wait 2 years and a whole bunch of trailers will show up on the market because people who bought them to get away during Covid, will decide that these trailers aren't really their cup of tea and that they rather not camp, but instead go for a cruise. Keeping my fingers crossed that there will be some good deals out there to be had!
 

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The first Escape forum post that I read about used Escapes said that used ones cost as much as new.
 

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We just bought a used 2004 Escape 17! However, we haven't purchased an Ascent yet. We were about to put a deposit and got nervous about the cost of the new one. So we aren't sure now what we are going to buy for a tow vehicle. The older ones - our dry weight is 2k. Seems any 5k towing vehicle should be fine.
 
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